People are so wedded to the globe model, it’s almost as sacred to them as Satan Claus. If you dare to prick the bubble you get pounded because you are destroying a deep seated psychological fantasy, extinguishing the spark of magic so they rebel.
I am sorry that my parents are no longer here, I am sure that the evidence would’ve convinced them… with a little kitten nudging.
I must admit, I have found the visceral reaction by some upon the broaching of this topic quite curious. Particularly amongst the truther community, if we were(are) stuck inside a real life Hunger Games against our will, you'd think they would be the first that would want to know.
it’s probably some sort of anchoring effect, like a three leg stool supporting a worldview… dare to kick out one leg and everything collapses… so it’s a primal defense mechanism to protect it (worldview/universe) at any/all costs
I'll keep an open mind, kitten, but I'm not quite ready for FE yet :). I have to say one thing that irritates me a little is calling it FE. Flat is a planar attribute, why doesn't the theory refer to its three-dimensional shape?
I agree with you Petra, the term FE is inarticulate and can often hinder serious intellectual discussion about the nature of creation. And thanks to that blatant controlled op outfit, the Flat Earth Society, so many people have the absurd conception of the Flat Earth as a pizza pie flying through space.
OK, I'm not quite sure what that describes but I'm going to leave it there for the moment.
BTW, Scipio, did you read my post, Blood and bandages: are they real?, because it refers to Gaza? Actually, taking a quick look back at your article I see I should link to it and I think one of your images would be very useful. Going to bed now. Good night.
maybe if the world governments military presence in Antarctica didn’t prevent independent research we could precisely map the true shape in detail. alas, no such luck … you have to question why the security is so tight there, what are they colluding to protect at all costs?
On that subject I have no clue but I'd imagine that even without Antarctica whatever shape the earth is should be able to be worked out assuming it's not a sphere as generally believed. According to ChatGPT it only occupies 2.7% of the earth's surface. Of course, if the earth isn't at all what we believe it to be then this figure doesn't necessarily mean much.
Antarctica is the fifth-largest continent on Earth, covering an area of approximately 14 million square kilometers (about 5.4 million square miles). With the total surface area of Earth being around 510 million square kilometers (about 196.9 million square miles), Antarctica occupies roughly 2.7% of the Earth's surface.
I appreciate my brother for all the hard work and effort and putting boots on the ground actually getting out there and putting his money where his mouth is. we should all be so passionate for the truth and pursue it vigorously. 👊💥💯
Not everyone will agree with Scipio on all points but we should be impressed with his efforts and I applaud him as a writer and thinker. Always leave your mind open!👏
We were conditioned to lean on the man-worshipping wisdom and pride of the world's scientistic religion (babylon). The path to life is to become "fools" in the eyes of the pagans and find freedom.
If the earth is a flat plane not a spinning spheroid in the infinite vacuum of the universe orbiting a star named Solaris, then "space" itself is most probably a psyop. So all those science fiction writers who I grew up reading - Heinlein, Asimov, Clarke - were full of it. Have Spacesuit Will Travel. The Rings of Saturn. A Fall of Moondust. Fantasies. Guys, how could you do this to a teenage brain full of wonder? 😄
There are SO many different methods with which one could give more proof for the 'covidian minds' of the infinite curvature (i.e. flat) of the earth, that it is literally mindblowing why the 'modern physics' never ask the 'globe yeas or no' question, at least with higher precision....?? Yes, it would confirm that the Bible is right. And not for nothing Einstein showed up with his Relativity right after Michelson–Morley experiment showed no 'eather' and no differences in motion, no matter which direction.. Suddenly not only the space is curved, but time too, or is it??
On the other note, the PILOTS in the flying airplanes are the no 1 witness of the real curvature, and yet, they also never ask, or see, or whatever is wrong with their minds, replaced by the militaries GPS systems...
There is also the question, how the Newtons gravity force completely erases the feeling of the centrifugal force on the human body/brain during such an incredible rotational speed of the earth.... ? Or the fact that the earth magnetic field is varying in direction/magnitude in every spot, yet the growth of all undisturbed plants is always up ? Anyway, too late for me to start walking with gyroscope, compas and the ruler to see the truth with own eyes.. The funniest thing was for me to discuss with an well known physicist the scenario in which a digger starts with such a deep hole in one spot on the planet, that he comes out on the other side of the earth surface, upside down... No, no the digger changes its position in the middle of the earth, zero gravity, not knowing about it and stands normally in the other direction after crossing the entire diameter of the earth....
Where’s the adjustments for air density, temperature and humidity which are highly variable over large bodies of water? Dry air is a different media than humid air. Remember, water in the air makes it lighter. Humid air is lighter than dry air. But wait! What about fog?!
Counter-intuitive just like air pressure increasing as speed exceeds Mach 1 rather than continuing to decrease as speed increases. Sound and pressure impact each other’s behavior? Who’d have thunk?
Nope, lack of science education or the absence of information doesn’t prove theories. How do you explain the curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse? Is the sun under the round, flat earth? Hmmm 🤔
While I certainly would not and did not state that I "proved" my theory through a mere 4 data points, my dataset already falsifies the commonly accepted curvature formula. I don't have to prove my theory in its totality in order to disprove a specific claim of the current globe model. To be intellectually honest, I'm still open to Earth being a significantly larger sphere than we've been told; Newton's theory of gravity & NASA on the other hand are less so. Can you also define "highly variable" please, because by my calculations and knowledge of atmos dynamics, such effects would have been negligible and certainly could not account for dozens, let alone hundreds of feet of unseen curvature.
Regardless, refraction through the air is an upward effect. In order for an observer to see objects which are behind the "curve" by hundreds of feet, such as what we observed, you simultaneously have to invoke an upward effect to explain light bending downward over a sphere. The curve can't ever be measured or visually defined from the surface of the Earth according to the globe model, we just have to trust that it's there. Every time we see too far, well that's just an illusion we're told. Yes we're spinning, wobbling, whirling, and twirling at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour, you just can't feel it.
I find those explanations extremely untenable to bordering on the absurd, in addition to being unscientific due to their unfalsifiable nature.
"How do you explain the curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse? Is the sun under the round, flat earth?"
That's a great question. Firstly, no one I've ever interacted with who believes that the Earth is a stationary, topographical plane believes that we are a pizza pie flying through "space", and neither do I. Now I would ask you, if a lunar eclipse is supposedly caused by the Earth intersecting the path of the Sun in order to cast a shadow, how is it possible that we have documented lunar eclipses in which the Sun and the Moon are in the sky at the same time?
(Spoiler: we are told that's just an illusion due to refraction, naturally.)
"I’ve looked in depth at FE and it doesn’t hold water and, unlike some claim, is not scriptural. The FE believers often impact the truth of the Bible and twist the Word to fit their meanings."
The late Dr. Michael Heiser did an exceptional lecture on the topic of Old Testament cosmology for those unfamiliar with this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbPtym0NboU. Any serious Hebrew scholar or historian will affirm this, it's really not seriously debatable that the OT exclusively describes Earth as an enclosed, stationary, and geocentric plane: Josephus even writes about the Hebrew conception of the crystalline firmament in the Antiquities of the Jews. Whether that matches reality or not is obviously what is up for debate, but the idea is indeed found in Scripture.
I hope you'll understand why I'm skeptical of the claim you've looked at this "in depth" when you are throwing out the flying pizza pie model as an honest representation of Biblical cosmology. If you genuinely believe I've twisted the words of Scripture to fit my preconceived ideas in this or any other essay I've written on this topic, I would encourage and appreciate that you cite specific examples so we can address them; otherwise, its effectively a form of poisoning the well. Thanks and God bless.
I think to address the question of air density above a body of water you will have to repeat the experiment at a different time of year when the air is either hotter or colder above the lake. Even repeating the experiment during the day would help add value.
Did you guys take note of the tempretures when you did your experiments?
If you get the exact same results at a different time of year (at different tempretures) then you can argue that air density is not making and impact. But it's hard because you need to know the exact tempretures across the entire distance the laser travels over the lake or prove it remains constant.
Another thing to consider when using lasers is beam diffusion. The laser beam slowly gets wider the further away you are from it, creating a larger visible area.
Sorry for my demeanor. I've got a lot going on and my energy level is less than needed to be congenial. In depth is subjective and I don't get a thrill out of the math. I imagine I could look up humidities, currents, temperatures, etc., but it's foolish to spend time on things that can be disproven through other scientific methods. Using light can be argued to be a poor way to experiment if the earth is flat or nearly flat, similar to useing a bubble level on an airplane and claim it stayed 'flat' during flight.
The variability I alluded to were with respect to temperature and humidity above the surface of a body of water which has variable currents and temperatures, creating a highly variable air environment above it. Density, correlated to temperature and humidity, affect refraction. Diffraction is also an issue. It's obvious that the laser diffracted across the distance you showed; it wasn't a pin point across the body of water. I also recently saw the "Answers in Genesis" FE article on YouTube a few days before your post: https://youtu.be/bu9S2r_TVwI?si=76clSxo8jUjsb4s1 which strengthened my, let's call it, belief. Also, the Foucault Pendulum experiment can easily show opposing rotation of the earth on the north/south poles and north and south of the equator (although, granted, I don't believe they took one to each of the poles to prove it). It's also possible to figure out the circumference of the earth using Eratosthenes method, which, in my mind, would only work on a sphere. While studying this further today, I ran across an article written by a 'scientist' that visited a Flat Earth conference and he brought up a good point about NOT trash talking flat earthers, but rather, to investigate the sociological aspects of the distrust and the fact that having information available for all hasn't led to a peaceful life existence but rather the converse. Isn't there a saying about how a little information plus a lot of motivation can lead to innovation or disaster? Is free energy really free, or will it come from elsewhere and unwittingly cause the destruction of other planets? Is the extraction of power from the wind a good thing or will there be other unintended consequences from removing energy from the atmosphere (wind)? Is non-ionizing radiation REALLY inert or are we destroying our existence one information carrying photon at a time?
I truly think/believe, based on my limited IQ and simple critical thinking capability plus the multitude of experiments and equations available on the internet, that an FE or a larger earth is improbable. However, (there's always a but), with the knowledge of scalar waves and the potential for splitting reality to travel unseen through gravity/time, or however it's done, I also know that I don't know much. I mean, angels and demons can exist in the room with me and I can't see them. I know nothing.
Were some of the moon landings faked? Likely, but unprovable beyond a shadow of a doubt. Were all the landings faked. Maybe. Will I know while inhabiting this human body? Doubtful. Does it help my salvation by pondering these things? Absolutely not! I should be spending my energy doing my job for the glory of God and loving God and my neighbor, but my curiosity gets in the way. Thank you for the blessing and may you and your's also be greatly blessed by God and may your cup overfloweth. Gotta run and do some work!
The biggest and most important difference between what the ancients said and what was written is, their alleged words are copies of copies; none of their original works and speeches have ever been discovered. Most of these copies were done centuries later, and still others are outright forgeries. Thus, you cannot unequivocally prove that anything which has been attributed to them they actually said.
Another issue is, there are no records of these people -- Aristotle, Plato, Eurypides, none of them -- ever having truly existed. Like William Shakespeare. They just appear out of nowhere and write a great many things, which are widely disseminated and later canonized; and you must ask the question why: why are these people specifically chosen to venerate? Who decides that among scores of others throughout history these are the best of the best?
Cui bono?
The Science has recently outed itself, though it was hidden in plain sight (think: caduceus), as an enemy of God and man. Science attempts to explain what God is, define parameters to Him, but He is infinite. Everything Science tries to do is prove that men are smart enough to understand Him and His ways, and by further doing outsmart our Creator. Transgenderism, vaccinations, implants, astronomy -- all these are venues by which Science believes it can improve on God's creation, to transcend Him.
How do you explain the curved shadow partial moon when it and the sun are both in the early afternoon sky at the same time? There’s no reason for any obstruction yet you can see it with your own eyes 👀. As a professional engineer I have to surmise that Scipio is closer to the truth than your dismissive comment. Enjoy the NASA magic shows. They’re so much fun for those willing to suspend their critical thinking skills and questioning attitudes.
The sun illuminates the side of the moon facing the sun, and then darkness on the side facing away. The curve is due to the surface curve of the moon and not the shadow of the earth. I guess we’re both dismissive in our own ways. I’ve looked in depth at FE and it doesn’t hold water and, unlike some claim, is not scriptural. The FE believers often impact the truth of the Bible and twist the Word to fit their meanings. Like science, there is truth that is twisted. I hate people deceiving others for humor and that’s what I believe is happening with FE fairy tales. And bringing NASA into the conversation is disingenuous, like using Bill to give Hillary credibility. What state are you registered in? Have you stamped anything? What school of critical thinking did you attend?
Michigan State , Illinois, Michigan Indiana etc. . 1981 and the Bible is not sound source material since the old testament was incongruously slapped on the front of the new. There is recurrent wisdom in emulating the life of Jesus, the old book is just propaganda for the people who wear tiny little hats.
This has to be the mother of all psyops.
People are so wedded to the globe model, it’s almost as sacred to them as Satan Claus. If you dare to prick the bubble you get pounded because you are destroying a deep seated psychological fantasy, extinguishing the spark of magic so they rebel.
I am sorry that my parents are no longer here, I am sure that the evidence would’ve convinced them… with a little kitten nudging.
I must admit, I have found the visceral reaction by some upon the broaching of this topic quite curious. Particularly amongst the truther community, if we were(are) stuck inside a real life Hunger Games against our will, you'd think they would be the first that would want to know.
it’s probably some sort of anchoring effect, like a three leg stool supporting a worldview… dare to kick out one leg and everything collapses… so it’s a primal defense mechanism to protect it (worldview/universe) at any/all costs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_effect
they’re deeply invested in the illusion, some more than others.
I'll keep an open mind, kitten, but I'm not quite ready for FE yet :). I have to say one thing that irritates me a little is calling it FE. Flat is a planar attribute, why doesn't the theory refer to its three-dimensional shape?
I agree with you Petra, the term FE is inarticulate and can often hinder serious intellectual discussion about the nature of creation. And thanks to that blatant controlled op outfit, the Flat Earth Society, so many people have the absurd conception of the Flat Earth as a pizza pie flying through space.
OK, so what shape is it, Scipio, assuming there is a defined shape?
My belief is that the Earth is a topographical, enclosed, circular plane as described by Scripture.
OK, I'm not quite sure what that describes but I'm going to leave it there for the moment.
BTW, Scipio, did you read my post, Blood and bandages: are they real?, because it refers to Gaza? Actually, taking a quick look back at your article I see I should link to it and I think one of your images would be very useful. Going to bed now. Good night.
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/blood-and-bandages-are-they-real
agree, topographical rimmed earth might be more descriptive 😻
Okaaay but what shape is that?
maybe if the world governments military presence in Antarctica didn’t prevent independent research we could precisely map the true shape in detail. alas, no such luck … you have to question why the security is so tight there, what are they colluding to protect at all costs?
On that subject I have no clue but I'd imagine that even without Antarctica whatever shape the earth is should be able to be worked out assuming it's not a sphere as generally believed. According to ChatGPT it only occupies 2.7% of the earth's surface. Of course, if the earth isn't at all what we believe it to be then this figure doesn't necessarily mean much.
Antarctica is the fifth-largest continent on Earth, covering an area of approximately 14 million square kilometers (about 5.4 million square miles). With the total surface area of Earth being around 510 million square kilometers (about 196.9 million square miles), Antarctica occupies roughly 2.7% of the Earth's surface.
this is not an endorsement of the author or the magazine but maybe it comes close …
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-most-accurate-flat-map-of-earth-yet/
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gleason%27s_new_standard_map_of_the_world_-_on_the_projection_of_J._S._Christopher,_Modern_College,_Blackheath,_England;_scientifically_and_practically_correct;_as_%22it_is.%22_(10143175716).jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection
I appreciate my brother for all the hard work and effort and putting boots on the ground actually getting out there and putting his money where his mouth is. we should all be so passionate for the truth and pursue it vigorously. 👊💥💯
Not everyone will agree with Scipio on all points but we should be impressed with his efforts and I applaud him as a writer and thinker. Always leave your mind open!👏
Thanks PM!
We were conditioned to lean on the man-worshipping wisdom and pride of the world's scientistic religion (babylon). The path to life is to become "fools" in the eyes of the pagans and find freedom.
Thank you! Totally irrefutable!
The truth’s straight as an arrow.
If the earth is a flat plane not a spinning spheroid in the infinite vacuum of the universe orbiting a star named Solaris, then "space" itself is most probably a psyop. So all those science fiction writers who I grew up reading - Heinlein, Asimov, Clarke - were full of it. Have Spacesuit Will Travel. The Rings of Saturn. A Fall of Moondust. Fantasies. Guys, how could you do this to a teenage brain full of wonder? 😄
That FE topic which surfaced ONLY around 2015 just blew me away, started to read the bible, again, and again....
The fact that one of the FE heros AND biblical studies expert, Rob Skiba, was literally killed end of 2021, with lethal covid hospital protocols (https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/events/vaxxed-3-authorized-to-kill/vaxxed-3-authorized-to-kill/) only further deepened this entire Mother and Father of all psyops, like Kitten says below.... Here a good start of free Masonry, in which Pitagoras was the figure...
https://sacredgeometryinternational.com/zionist-jewish-freemasonry-unveiled/
There are SO many different methods with which one could give more proof for the 'covidian minds' of the infinite curvature (i.e. flat) of the earth, that it is literally mindblowing why the 'modern physics' never ask the 'globe yeas or no' question, at least with higher precision....?? Yes, it would confirm that the Bible is right. And not for nothing Einstein showed up with his Relativity right after Michelson–Morley experiment showed no 'eather' and no differences in motion, no matter which direction.. Suddenly not only the space is curved, but time too, or is it??
On the other note, the PILOTS in the flying airplanes are the no 1 witness of the real curvature, and yet, they also never ask, or see, or whatever is wrong with their minds, replaced by the militaries GPS systems...
There is also the question, how the Newtons gravity force completely erases the feeling of the centrifugal force on the human body/brain during such an incredible rotational speed of the earth.... ? Or the fact that the earth magnetic field is varying in direction/magnitude in every spot, yet the growth of all undisturbed plants is always up ? Anyway, too late for me to start walking with gyroscope, compas and the ruler to see the truth with own eyes.. The funniest thing was for me to discuss with an well known physicist the scenario in which a digger starts with such a deep hole in one spot on the planet, that he comes out on the other side of the earth surface, upside down... No, no the digger changes its position in the middle of the earth, zero gravity, not knowing about it and stands normally in the other direction after crossing the entire diameter of the earth....
Once again You have not disappointed, with you absolute thoroughness. I admire your work and leaving no room for discrepancy.
Micro or macro I am open minded enough to have a crack at this. Laser, a big lake, tick, we have both here. Thanks.
Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 1 - The Horizon https://youtube.com/watch?v=W9ksbh88OJs
Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 2 - The Stars https://youtube.com/watch?v=NGZEXkSX9wI
Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 3 - The Moon https://youtube.com/watch?v=FTBaOmJEQg0
Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 4 - Easy Experiments https://youtube.com/watch?v=VFU1A88N_6I
Flat Earth Falsities - "Flat Earth in 5 Minutes" Debunked https://youtube.com/watch?v=VbVmM9ymjxA
Where’s the adjustments for air density, temperature and humidity which are highly variable over large bodies of water? Dry air is a different media than humid air. Remember, water in the air makes it lighter. Humid air is lighter than dry air. But wait! What about fog?!
Counter-intuitive just like air pressure increasing as speed exceeds Mach 1 rather than continuing to decrease as speed increases. Sound and pressure impact each other’s behavior? Who’d have thunk?
Nope, lack of science education or the absence of information doesn’t prove theories. How do you explain the curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse? Is the sun under the round, flat earth? Hmmm 🤔
While I certainly would not and did not state that I "proved" my theory through a mere 4 data points, my dataset already falsifies the commonly accepted curvature formula. I don't have to prove my theory in its totality in order to disprove a specific claim of the current globe model. To be intellectually honest, I'm still open to Earth being a significantly larger sphere than we've been told; Newton's theory of gravity & NASA on the other hand are less so. Can you also define "highly variable" please, because by my calculations and knowledge of atmos dynamics, such effects would have been negligible and certainly could not account for dozens, let alone hundreds of feet of unseen curvature.
Regardless, refraction through the air is an upward effect. In order for an observer to see objects which are behind the "curve" by hundreds of feet, such as what we observed, you simultaneously have to invoke an upward effect to explain light bending downward over a sphere. The curve can't ever be measured or visually defined from the surface of the Earth according to the globe model, we just have to trust that it's there. Every time we see too far, well that's just an illusion we're told. Yes we're spinning, wobbling, whirling, and twirling at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour, you just can't feel it.
I find those explanations extremely untenable to bordering on the absurd, in addition to being unscientific due to their unfalsifiable nature.
"How do you explain the curved shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse? Is the sun under the round, flat earth?"
That's a great question. Firstly, no one I've ever interacted with who believes that the Earth is a stationary, topographical plane believes that we are a pizza pie flying through "space", and neither do I. Now I would ask you, if a lunar eclipse is supposedly caused by the Earth intersecting the path of the Sun in order to cast a shadow, how is it possible that we have documented lunar eclipses in which the Sun and the Moon are in the sky at the same time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshJTdilGTs
(Spoiler: we are told that's just an illusion due to refraction, naturally.)
"I’ve looked in depth at FE and it doesn’t hold water and, unlike some claim, is not scriptural. The FE believers often impact the truth of the Bible and twist the Word to fit their meanings."
The late Dr. Michael Heiser did an exceptional lecture on the topic of Old Testament cosmology for those unfamiliar with this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbPtym0NboU. Any serious Hebrew scholar or historian will affirm this, it's really not seriously debatable that the OT exclusively describes Earth as an enclosed, stationary, and geocentric plane: Josephus even writes about the Hebrew conception of the crystalline firmament in the Antiquities of the Jews. Whether that matches reality or not is obviously what is up for debate, but the idea is indeed found in Scripture.
I hope you'll understand why I'm skeptical of the claim you've looked at this "in depth" when you are throwing out the flying pizza pie model as an honest representation of Biblical cosmology. If you genuinely believe I've twisted the words of Scripture to fit my preconceived ideas in this or any other essay I've written on this topic, I would encourage and appreciate that you cite specific examples so we can address them; otherwise, its effectively a form of poisoning the well. Thanks and God bless.
I think to address the question of air density above a body of water you will have to repeat the experiment at a different time of year when the air is either hotter or colder above the lake. Even repeating the experiment during the day would help add value.
Did you guys take note of the tempretures when you did your experiments?
If you get the exact same results at a different time of year (at different tempretures) then you can argue that air density is not making and impact. But it's hard because you need to know the exact tempretures across the entire distance the laser travels over the lake or prove it remains constant.
Another thing to consider when using lasers is beam diffusion. The laser beam slowly gets wider the further away you are from it, creating a larger visible area.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ookTfBP5sUU
Sorry for my demeanor. I've got a lot going on and my energy level is less than needed to be congenial. In depth is subjective and I don't get a thrill out of the math. I imagine I could look up humidities, currents, temperatures, etc., but it's foolish to spend time on things that can be disproven through other scientific methods. Using light can be argued to be a poor way to experiment if the earth is flat or nearly flat, similar to useing a bubble level on an airplane and claim it stayed 'flat' during flight.
The variability I alluded to were with respect to temperature and humidity above the surface of a body of water which has variable currents and temperatures, creating a highly variable air environment above it. Density, correlated to temperature and humidity, affect refraction. Diffraction is also an issue. It's obvious that the laser diffracted across the distance you showed; it wasn't a pin point across the body of water. I also recently saw the "Answers in Genesis" FE article on YouTube a few days before your post: https://youtu.be/bu9S2r_TVwI?si=76clSxo8jUjsb4s1 which strengthened my, let's call it, belief. Also, the Foucault Pendulum experiment can easily show opposing rotation of the earth on the north/south poles and north and south of the equator (although, granted, I don't believe they took one to each of the poles to prove it). It's also possible to figure out the circumference of the earth using Eratosthenes method, which, in my mind, would only work on a sphere. While studying this further today, I ran across an article written by a 'scientist' that visited a Flat Earth conference and he brought up a good point about NOT trash talking flat earthers, but rather, to investigate the sociological aspects of the distrust and the fact that having information available for all hasn't led to a peaceful life existence but rather the converse. Isn't there a saying about how a little information plus a lot of motivation can lead to innovation or disaster? Is free energy really free, or will it come from elsewhere and unwittingly cause the destruction of other planets? Is the extraction of power from the wind a good thing or will there be other unintended consequences from removing energy from the atmosphere (wind)? Is non-ionizing radiation REALLY inert or are we destroying our existence one information carrying photon at a time?
I truly think/believe, based on my limited IQ and simple critical thinking capability plus the multitude of experiments and equations available on the internet, that an FE or a larger earth is improbable. However, (there's always a but), with the knowledge of scalar waves and the potential for splitting reality to travel unseen through gravity/time, or however it's done, I also know that I don't know much. I mean, angels and demons can exist in the room with me and I can't see them. I know nothing.
Were some of the moon landings faked? Likely, but unprovable beyond a shadow of a doubt. Were all the landings faked. Maybe. Will I know while inhabiting this human body? Doubtful. Does it help my salvation by pondering these things? Absolutely not! I should be spending my energy doing my job for the glory of God and loving God and my neighbor, but my curiosity gets in the way. Thank you for the blessing and may you and your's also be greatly blessed by God and may your cup overfloweth. Gotta run and do some work!
The biggest and most important difference between what the ancients said and what was written is, their alleged words are copies of copies; none of their original works and speeches have ever been discovered. Most of these copies were done centuries later, and still others are outright forgeries. Thus, you cannot unequivocally prove that anything which has been attributed to them they actually said.
Another issue is, there are no records of these people -- Aristotle, Plato, Eurypides, none of them -- ever having truly existed. Like William Shakespeare. They just appear out of nowhere and write a great many things, which are widely disseminated and later canonized; and you must ask the question why: why are these people specifically chosen to venerate? Who decides that among scores of others throughout history these are the best of the best?
Cui bono?
The Science has recently outed itself, though it was hidden in plain sight (think: caduceus), as an enemy of God and man. Science attempts to explain what God is, define parameters to Him, but He is infinite. Everything Science tries to do is prove that men are smart enough to understand Him and His ways, and by further doing outsmart our Creator. Transgenderism, vaccinations, implants, astronomy -- all these are venues by which Science believes it can improve on God's creation, to transcend Him.
Who would want to do such a thing?
How do you explain the curved shadow partial moon when it and the sun are both in the early afternoon sky at the same time? There’s no reason for any obstruction yet you can see it with your own eyes 👀. As a professional engineer I have to surmise that Scipio is closer to the truth than your dismissive comment. Enjoy the NASA magic shows. They’re so much fun for those willing to suspend their critical thinking skills and questioning attitudes.
The sun illuminates the side of the moon facing the sun, and then darkness on the side facing away. The curve is due to the surface curve of the moon and not the shadow of the earth. I guess we’re both dismissive in our own ways. I’ve looked in depth at FE and it doesn’t hold water and, unlike some claim, is not scriptural. The FE believers often impact the truth of the Bible and twist the Word to fit their meanings. Like science, there is truth that is twisted. I hate people deceiving others for humor and that’s what I believe is happening with FE fairy tales. And bringing NASA into the conversation is disingenuous, like using Bill to give Hillary credibility. What state are you registered in? Have you stamped anything? What school of critical thinking did you attend?
Michigan State , Illinois, Michigan Indiana etc. . 1981 and the Bible is not sound source material since the old testament was incongruously slapped on the front of the new. There is recurrent wisdom in emulating the life of Jesus, the old book is just propaganda for the people who wear tiny little hats.