This article was very thorough! We are at Midnight now! If decisions have not been made by people a long time ago on why we need Jesus in our life, then it's too late for them. The remnant will be carried through this to safety. I say that with extreme confidence in Jesus! Thanks again.
Economics is a broad subject area that runs the gamut from anthropology to finance. Because of the high-level math required for the PhD the economists see only the physicists as their contemporaries for King of the academic Hill. Alas, the one concept that even the "brightest" of the non-initiated miss is its Malthusian bent. In short, hidden in plain sight is economics is the road map for eugenics, social Darwinism, and "artificial scarcity." What those in the know knew when they referred to it as the "dismal science." The above article is a stellar tour-de-force on the underlying economics and how its already yesterday, almost fait accompli, except Jesus came to save, heal, and deliver and he's returning soon. In the meantime, live prayerfully, powerfully and fearfully. God is still on the throne.
This is a good post but I have a question to ask the author. What is your take on Revelation? Do you think it related to events today and the near future? What do you make of each of the four methods of interpretation as they are presented in Steve Gregg's work "Revelation: Four Views - A Parallel Commentary"? These views are Historicism, Preterism, Futurism, and Allegorical.
I generally don’t like using labels as they discourage critical thought, although they are obviously useful for explaining a set of ideas concisely. I’d classify my views as generally Preterist and Amillennial. I see much of the imagery of Revelation as a covenant indictment of apostate Israel, and thus is primarily dealing with the events of 70 AD; although not exclusively as there are unfulfilled, historical, and allegorical elements in the book as well. I’ve written about the compelling internal evidence in Revelation for a pre-70 AD writing, which I have discussed here:
Indeed, there is a great need for critical thought when it comes to understanding the book of Revelation. This is especially true in our modern day because the deceiver has muddied the pure water of the clear vision Christ revealed to John in the course of history, because deceivers will try to leverage what is holy to justify their unholy quest.
Revelation is the vision that Christ gave after he was caught up to the throne of God. This means he was seeing thing from above time and space and providing a vision that contained many attributes in a concise format.
With the 70AD prophecies fulfilled concerning the old covenant, Christ then gave the new Revelation prophecies that will conclude at the ending of the time granted to the new covenant. Revelation 14 tells us the new covenant will end when Christ reaps the Christian souls and the angel is told to reap the remaining unrepentant souls.
The Redating Revelation post you linked above is obviously written from a Preterist point of view, who try to justify a Neronic Dating of Revelation. The Neronic Dating must be true for the Partial/Full-Preteristic position to work at all. It is entirely contingent upon the dating of Revelation.
There is already enough prophecy concerning the old covenant and it being fulfilled and then being made desolate by the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. The risen Lord then provided a new vision to carry his flock through the time allotted to the new covenant church age. Why destroy the power of Revelation and rob the people of hope just for the sake of defending a Preteristic position?
John, you asked for my position on Revelation, and I gave it. But instead of engaging with what I wrote, you made a series of assertions assuming your framework as fact. That’s not an argument, that's begging the question.
Right out of the gate, you claim Revelation is a vision from outside space and time. But Christ is physically resurrected. His body wasn’t left behind in the tomb — it was raised. He ascended in that same glorified body, and He still has it (Acts 1:9-11, Luke 24:39). A physical body means being part of the physical realm. You can’t have an embodied Christ without embodiment, which necessarily includes space and time. That’s foundational biblical Christology.
You also claim that Revelation 14 marks the end of the New Covenant. Where, exactly? The text speaks of a harvest and judgment — nothing about the covenant expiring. Meanwhile, non-prophetic Scripture is explicit: the New Covenant is eternal (Heb. 13:20). So what’s the argument? If you’re suggesting Revelation contradicts this, you will need more than assertions.
"Why destroy the power of Revelation and rob the people of hope just for the sake of defending a Preteristic position?"
This question is loaded, accusatory, and entirely uncharitable. It assumes that my position is driven by an agenda rather than an honest reading of the text. It also frames the discussion as if I’m the one undermining the "power" of Revelation — when in reality, I’m simply interpreting it differently. Disagreeing with your framework isn’t an attack on Revelation, nor does it "rob" anyone of hope. That’s just an emotional appeal dressed up as an argument.
Hope in what, exactly? I don’t deny that Christ will return. I don’t deny the final judgment. Christ reigns and His Church is advancing precisely as Daniel foresaw. So what’s missing? If anything, Revelation is far more bleak in your view, not only for the world, but for Israel, considering Zechariah 13:8-9 says two-thirds will be wiped out. But I wouldn’t build an argument off emotional appeals, because that’s not how we should determine truth.
Now, on the dating Revelation — your link leans almost entirely on external sources. I very much doubt the author of this piece has seriously engaged Gendry's work as he and other preterists have addressed many of the claims made within said article. I focused on the internal Scriptural evidence in my article precisely because the external evidence is admittedly conflicting. Sure, most scholars have historically favored a later date, but that argument ultimately hangs on a singular witness: Irenaeus. And let’s not forget, this is the same Irenaeus who also taught, as Apostolic tradition, that Jesus was 50 years old before His ascension. Hegesippus? He just echoes Irenaeus.
So if that’s the foundation for the later dating of Revelation, it’s hardly on solid ground.
You are correct in understanding that I am not sold on the Preterist argument and the Neronic Dating of Revelation.
Yes, for the sake of brevity I expressed the state of Jesus Christ as being outside or above time and space. By this I of course meant that the resurrected Lamb of God is the 2nd Adam and his earthy body has been made incorruptible. God is outside the physical realm yet entered it through Christ, who in turn is now seated far above all principalities and powers on the same throne God sits upon. I hope that is clear enough.
Yes, in Revelation 14 the pure and unclean souls are reaped. This marks the end of the period of grace when it is still possible to repent and be saved. The new covenant is certainly eternal for the pure souls but is no longer applicable after a unclean soul dies or God ends time and space. It is only while we have earthly breath that we are able to be saved. I'm sure you understand this, right?
You asked "So what’s missing?". That is what I was hoping to find out from you in the first place but then I found out that where would not be much missing in your view because of your Preteristic interpretation of Revelation, which maps pretty well the whole book of Revelation on to a very short 100 year period after the birth of Christ.
So specifically, if you can write this post on the CDBC and the enslavement that is coming for humanity with programable money then do you not think that this is precisely what Revelation 13 is revealing, when it talks about the Image of the Beast and the Mark of the Beast?
If you can not make that connection then Preterism is a millstone around your neck and a damnable heresy that you are teaching to others, causing them to stumble and not see the present and future for what it is. Christ has revealed Revelation to be a blessing and no dark curse to his new covenant body of Christ and bride to be.
We have holy words describing what Christ saw on the road ahead via Revelation, as long as we don't deceive ourselves into throwing his glorious Revelation into the dust-bin of history and dogmatically insisting that it only applies to the 70AD tribulation we will have true sight.
So do tell, what is the Image of the Beast and the Mark of the Beast?
John, it’s one thing to engage in dialogue and another to simply reassert your framework as though it were the self-evident truth. Your latest response continues the pattern of presuming my beliefs rather than engaging with what I’ve actually said, followed by labeling your (faulty) presuppositions about my position as “damnable heresy.” This is neither rigorous exegesis nor meaningful discussion — it’s polemical posturing.
You demand that I take Revelation 13 as a future prophecy about modern technological slavery, but that’s not how biblical prophecy works. Revelation’s imagery has a historical fulfillment and ongoing relevance to us as believers, just like any other prophetic book. The Mark of the Beast had a literal fulfillment in the 1st century with the emperor cult and economic persecution of Christians. But Revelation also establishes patterns that have repeated throughout history. Many regimes have been in the same mold as the Beast, and many "marks" have been imposed by tyrants on Christians throughout the Church’s history. So I see the Mark as not merely a one time event but an antichrist thought process, lifestyle, and pattern of behavior that evinces itself throughout history.
So contrary to your suppositions, I do not deny that totalitarian systems today reflect this same pattern. The idea that my position blinds people to this reality is absurd frankly. On the contrary, recognizing the patterns of Revelation allows us to see how the spirit behind the Beast manifests itself throughout history. If the US government started conditioning our economic activity on our willingness to deny Christ, then I would be right along side you calling this government (or any other) out for perpetuating the antichrist system.
Now on to your on other comments, you said:
"By this I of course meant that the resurrected Lamb of God is the 2nd Adam and his earthly body has been made incorruptible. God is outside the physical realm yet entered it through Christ, who in turn is now seated far above all principalities and powers on the same throne God sits upon."
The Son’s glorified body being incorruptible is not in dispute, so I’m not sure how that’s relevant to the discussion. However, your claim that He is “outside the physical realm” while simultaneously affirming that He has a physical, glorified body is logically incoherent. A physical body necessarily entails spatial existence. That is not to say that Christ is confined to space as we are (He is omnipresent, as wherever two or more are gathered, He is there), but rather that the Incarnation and Resurrection permanently established Him as embodied: Christ reconciles not only humanity to Himself, but also creation.
Further, nowhere in Scripture is God said to be “outside time and space.” That is a philosophical presupposition you have brought to the text. God certainly transcends the created order, meaning He is not bound or dependent on time or space for His existence, but He clearly acts within both. He freely chooses to create (a temporal act) and ceases creation (a temporal act), He spoke to Abraham in time, and sent His Son in time. Saying that God is “outside of time” in this absolute sense would mean He cannot actually interact with temporal creatures, contradicting the entire Biblical narrative.
"The new covenant is certainly eternal for the pure souls but is no longer applicable after an unclean soul dies or God ends time and space."
This is sloppy language. The New Covenant is eternal (Heb. 13:20). That some reject it or that the opportunity to repent ceases at death does not mean the covenant itself “ends.” If you mean that there is no post-mortem salvation, say that. If you mean that the final judgment will seal people’s fate, agreed. But don’t conflate this with the covenant “ending.” If you don’t want to be misunderstood, be precise — preferably with actual scriptural backing instead of vague appeals to what is “clear.”
Now if time were to cease as you claim, then all action, thought, and even existence would become indiscernible. Yet Scripture portrays the New Heavens and New Earth as a place of activity:
- Nations will walk in the light of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:24-26).
- People will bring glory and honor into it, further implying temporality and sequence.
- In Isaiah 66:22-23, worship in the Messiah’s kingdom is described as happening in a cycle ("from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another").
Now I view Isaiah as fulfilled prophecy, but even still, it is clear that time remains intrinsic to the New Creation. The renewal of the cosmos does not mean or even imply its total obliteration.
Which brings us to the real problem I see here — your underlying assumption that the New Creation is somehow non-physical. If time and space “end,” then what exactly are we resurrected into? We are not escaping from the material world, as the Gnostics assert; we inherit a restored material world, the Edenic vision realized once more. Romans 8:19-22 explicitly states that all of creation is groaning for its redemption. The eschaton is not the destruction of the physical my friend, but the restoration of it.
We will have physical, resurrected bodies (1 Cor. 15:42-44). Christ’s resurrection is the model for our own (Phil. 3:21), and He was not raised as an ethereal spirit but in a tangible, glorified body. Job 19:25-27 also states that Job's Redeemer will stand upon the earth in the latter days and that Job himself will see Him in his flesh, further dispelling any notion of a non-physical eschaton. Yes, Christ’s glorified body is not subject to the laws of physics as we currently perceive them, but that does not make it any less physical. If you deny this, than our disagreement over Revelation pales in comparison to a Gnostic denial of the physical resurrection and the material nature of the New Creation.
Thus far, you’ve presumed my beliefs rather than engaging them, framed disagreements as heresy, and made emotional appeals rather than biblical arguments. If you want a genuine discussion, then let's engage the text and avoid these rhetorical tactics. Otherwise, I have no interest in a one-sided exchange where my views are misrepresented and then condemned based on said misrepresentations.
You said "nowhere in Scripture is God said to be “outside time and space.”, which is flat wrong.
According to the Bible, God is described as existing outside of time and space. This concept is based on the idea that God created time and space, and therefore is not limited by them. In 2 Timothy 1:9 and Titus 1:2, it is stated that God's plan for our destiny was established "before the beginning of time." Additionally, Hebrews 11:3 suggests that the physical universe was created from a source independent of physical dimensions, indicating that God transcends time and space.
Scripture also implies that God is timeless rather than being eternally in time or beyond time. This means that God sees all of eternity's past and future simultaneously, and the passage of time on Earth is of no consequence from God's perspective. A second is no different from an eon to God, as billions of years pass like seconds to an eternal being.
Furthermore, the idea of God being outside of space and time does not restrict His ability to interact with the universe. According to some interpretations, God can choose to dwell within His creation, as seen in various instances where He interacted with humans and guided them.
In summary, the Bible portrays God as existing outside of time and space, which allows Him to be independent of these dimensions and to have a timeless perspective on all of creation.
You digress needlessly and endlessly. My concern is only to make it clear that both Preterism and Futurism have their origins in the Counter-Reformation and are manipulations of scripture for the purpose of political deception.
You quote scripture in the most literal way to back your flat-earth ideas but when it comes to seeing that scripture is extremely well aligned with current events like the CBDC and Revelation 13:17 you are mute.
I do appreciate your view on Futurism and how you expose it for what it is but you need to do the same thing for Preterism. Both are doctrines of devils that are leading the church astray.
In Matthew 25:1-13 Jesus tells us of the wise and foolish virgins. The wise had oil so they could light their lamps and see where they were going on the road ahead. The foolish refused the oil and subsequently lost their way.
The oil for the lamps is Revelation and its ability to connect-the-dots as we navigate through the beast end game and present ourselves as a wise bride to Jesus Christ at his imminent 2nd Advent.
The exposition of what Preterism and Futurism actually are can be easily sourced via many books and online discussions. Here are some links to get you going:
Just thinking.. Harari... Kissinger.. Klaus.. Gates.. Trudeau.. Fauci.. Can you just imagine a neighborhood peppered with such as these, when the rest of the world would be dead.. what a fun group to hang out with... What joy.
This article was very thorough! We are at Midnight now! If decisions have not been made by people a long time ago on why we need Jesus in our life, then it's too late for them. The remnant will be carried through this to safety. I say that with extreme confidence in Jesus! Thanks again.
"Some people are so poor all they have is money" ( unknown)
Economics is a broad subject area that runs the gamut from anthropology to finance. Because of the high-level math required for the PhD the economists see only the physicists as their contemporaries for King of the academic Hill. Alas, the one concept that even the "brightest" of the non-initiated miss is its Malthusian bent. In short, hidden in plain sight is economics is the road map for eugenics, social Darwinism, and "artificial scarcity." What those in the know knew when they referred to it as the "dismal science." The above article is a stellar tour-de-force on the underlying economics and how its already yesterday, almost fait accompli, except Jesus came to save, heal, and deliver and he's returning soon. In the meantime, live prayerfully, powerfully and fearfully. God is still on the throne.
Amen my brother, and thank you for the compliment!
This is a good post but I have a question to ask the author. What is your take on Revelation? Do you think it related to events today and the near future? What do you make of each of the four methods of interpretation as they are presented in Steve Gregg's work "Revelation: Four Views - A Parallel Commentary"? These views are Historicism, Preterism, Futurism, and Allegorical.
I generally don’t like using labels as they discourage critical thought, although they are obviously useful for explaining a set of ideas concisely. I’d classify my views as generally Preterist and Amillennial. I see much of the imagery of Revelation as a covenant indictment of apostate Israel, and thus is primarily dealing with the events of 70 AD; although not exclusively as there are unfulfilled, historical, and allegorical elements in the book as well. I’ve written about the compelling internal evidence in Revelation for a pre-70 AD writing, which I have discussed here:
https://dfreality.substack.com/p/redating-revelation
Indeed, there is a great need for critical thought when it comes to understanding the book of Revelation. This is especially true in our modern day because the deceiver has muddied the pure water of the clear vision Christ revealed to John in the course of history, because deceivers will try to leverage what is holy to justify their unholy quest.
Revelation is the vision that Christ gave after he was caught up to the throne of God. This means he was seeing thing from above time and space and providing a vision that contained many attributes in a concise format.
With the 70AD prophecies fulfilled concerning the old covenant, Christ then gave the new Revelation prophecies that will conclude at the ending of the time granted to the new covenant. Revelation 14 tells us the new covenant will end when Christ reaps the Christian souls and the angel is told to reap the remaining unrepentant souls.
The Redating Revelation post you linked above is obviously written from a Preterist point of view, who try to justify a Neronic Dating of Revelation. The Neronic Dating must be true for the Partial/Full-Preteristic position to work at all. It is entirely contingent upon the dating of Revelation.
https://sakeofthetruth.wordpress.com/2021/08/09/when-was-the-book-of-revelation-written
There is already enough prophecy concerning the old covenant and it being fulfilled and then being made desolate by the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. The risen Lord then provided a new vision to carry his flock through the time allotted to the new covenant church age. Why destroy the power of Revelation and rob the people of hope just for the sake of defending a Preteristic position?
John, you asked for my position on Revelation, and I gave it. But instead of engaging with what I wrote, you made a series of assertions assuming your framework as fact. That’s not an argument, that's begging the question.
Right out of the gate, you claim Revelation is a vision from outside space and time. But Christ is physically resurrected. His body wasn’t left behind in the tomb — it was raised. He ascended in that same glorified body, and He still has it (Acts 1:9-11, Luke 24:39). A physical body means being part of the physical realm. You can’t have an embodied Christ without embodiment, which necessarily includes space and time. That’s foundational biblical Christology.
You also claim that Revelation 14 marks the end of the New Covenant. Where, exactly? The text speaks of a harvest and judgment — nothing about the covenant expiring. Meanwhile, non-prophetic Scripture is explicit: the New Covenant is eternal (Heb. 13:20). So what’s the argument? If you’re suggesting Revelation contradicts this, you will need more than assertions.
"Why destroy the power of Revelation and rob the people of hope just for the sake of defending a Preteristic position?"
This question is loaded, accusatory, and entirely uncharitable. It assumes that my position is driven by an agenda rather than an honest reading of the text. It also frames the discussion as if I’m the one undermining the "power" of Revelation — when in reality, I’m simply interpreting it differently. Disagreeing with your framework isn’t an attack on Revelation, nor does it "rob" anyone of hope. That’s just an emotional appeal dressed up as an argument.
Hope in what, exactly? I don’t deny that Christ will return. I don’t deny the final judgment. Christ reigns and His Church is advancing precisely as Daniel foresaw. So what’s missing? If anything, Revelation is far more bleak in your view, not only for the world, but for Israel, considering Zechariah 13:8-9 says two-thirds will be wiped out. But I wouldn’t build an argument off emotional appeals, because that’s not how we should determine truth.
Now, on the dating Revelation — your link leans almost entirely on external sources. I very much doubt the author of this piece has seriously engaged Gendry's work as he and other preterists have addressed many of the claims made within said article. I focused on the internal Scriptural evidence in my article precisely because the external evidence is admittedly conflicting. Sure, most scholars have historically favored a later date, but that argument ultimately hangs on a singular witness: Irenaeus. And let’s not forget, this is the same Irenaeus who also taught, as Apostolic tradition, that Jesus was 50 years old before His ascension. Hegesippus? He just echoes Irenaeus.
So if that’s the foundation for the later dating of Revelation, it’s hardly on solid ground.
You are correct in understanding that I am not sold on the Preterist argument and the Neronic Dating of Revelation.
Yes, for the sake of brevity I expressed the state of Jesus Christ as being outside or above time and space. By this I of course meant that the resurrected Lamb of God is the 2nd Adam and his earthy body has been made incorruptible. God is outside the physical realm yet entered it through Christ, who in turn is now seated far above all principalities and powers on the same throne God sits upon. I hope that is clear enough.
Yes, in Revelation 14 the pure and unclean souls are reaped. This marks the end of the period of grace when it is still possible to repent and be saved. The new covenant is certainly eternal for the pure souls but is no longer applicable after a unclean soul dies or God ends time and space. It is only while we have earthly breath that we are able to be saved. I'm sure you understand this, right?
You asked "So what’s missing?". That is what I was hoping to find out from you in the first place but then I found out that where would not be much missing in your view because of your Preteristic interpretation of Revelation, which maps pretty well the whole book of Revelation on to a very short 100 year period after the birth of Christ.
So specifically, if you can write this post on the CDBC and the enslavement that is coming for humanity with programable money then do you not think that this is precisely what Revelation 13 is revealing, when it talks about the Image of the Beast and the Mark of the Beast?
If you can not make that connection then Preterism is a millstone around your neck and a damnable heresy that you are teaching to others, causing them to stumble and not see the present and future for what it is. Christ has revealed Revelation to be a blessing and no dark curse to his new covenant body of Christ and bride to be.
We have holy words describing what Christ saw on the road ahead via Revelation, as long as we don't deceive ourselves into throwing his glorious Revelation into the dust-bin of history and dogmatically insisting that it only applies to the 70AD tribulation we will have true sight.
So do tell, what is the Image of the Beast and the Mark of the Beast?
John, it’s one thing to engage in dialogue and another to simply reassert your framework as though it were the self-evident truth. Your latest response continues the pattern of presuming my beliefs rather than engaging with what I’ve actually said, followed by labeling your (faulty) presuppositions about my position as “damnable heresy.” This is neither rigorous exegesis nor meaningful discussion — it’s polemical posturing.
You demand that I take Revelation 13 as a future prophecy about modern technological slavery, but that’s not how biblical prophecy works. Revelation’s imagery has a historical fulfillment and ongoing relevance to us as believers, just like any other prophetic book. The Mark of the Beast had a literal fulfillment in the 1st century with the emperor cult and economic persecution of Christians. But Revelation also establishes patterns that have repeated throughout history. Many regimes have been in the same mold as the Beast, and many "marks" have been imposed by tyrants on Christians throughout the Church’s history. So I see the Mark as not merely a one time event but an antichrist thought process, lifestyle, and pattern of behavior that evinces itself throughout history.
So contrary to your suppositions, I do not deny that totalitarian systems today reflect this same pattern. The idea that my position blinds people to this reality is absurd frankly. On the contrary, recognizing the patterns of Revelation allows us to see how the spirit behind the Beast manifests itself throughout history. If the US government started conditioning our economic activity on our willingness to deny Christ, then I would be right along side you calling this government (or any other) out for perpetuating the antichrist system.
Now on to your on other comments, you said:
"By this I of course meant that the resurrected Lamb of God is the 2nd Adam and his earthly body has been made incorruptible. God is outside the physical realm yet entered it through Christ, who in turn is now seated far above all principalities and powers on the same throne God sits upon."
The Son’s glorified body being incorruptible is not in dispute, so I’m not sure how that’s relevant to the discussion. However, your claim that He is “outside the physical realm” while simultaneously affirming that He has a physical, glorified body is logically incoherent. A physical body necessarily entails spatial existence. That is not to say that Christ is confined to space as we are (He is omnipresent, as wherever two or more are gathered, He is there), but rather that the Incarnation and Resurrection permanently established Him as embodied: Christ reconciles not only humanity to Himself, but also creation.
Further, nowhere in Scripture is God said to be “outside time and space.” That is a philosophical presupposition you have brought to the text. God certainly transcends the created order, meaning He is not bound or dependent on time or space for His existence, but He clearly acts within both. He freely chooses to create (a temporal act) and ceases creation (a temporal act), He spoke to Abraham in time, and sent His Son in time. Saying that God is “outside of time” in this absolute sense would mean He cannot actually interact with temporal creatures, contradicting the entire Biblical narrative.
"The new covenant is certainly eternal for the pure souls but is no longer applicable after an unclean soul dies or God ends time and space."
This is sloppy language. The New Covenant is eternal (Heb. 13:20). That some reject it or that the opportunity to repent ceases at death does not mean the covenant itself “ends.” If you mean that there is no post-mortem salvation, say that. If you mean that the final judgment will seal people’s fate, agreed. But don’t conflate this with the covenant “ending.” If you don’t want to be misunderstood, be precise — preferably with actual scriptural backing instead of vague appeals to what is “clear.”
Now if time were to cease as you claim, then all action, thought, and even existence would become indiscernible. Yet Scripture portrays the New Heavens and New Earth as a place of activity:
- Nations will walk in the light of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:24-26).
- People will bring glory and honor into it, further implying temporality and sequence.
- In Isaiah 66:22-23, worship in the Messiah’s kingdom is described as happening in a cycle ("from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another").
Now I view Isaiah as fulfilled prophecy, but even still, it is clear that time remains intrinsic to the New Creation. The renewal of the cosmos does not mean or even imply its total obliteration.
Which brings us to the real problem I see here — your underlying assumption that the New Creation is somehow non-physical. If time and space “end,” then what exactly are we resurrected into? We are not escaping from the material world, as the Gnostics assert; we inherit a restored material world, the Edenic vision realized once more. Romans 8:19-22 explicitly states that all of creation is groaning for its redemption. The eschaton is not the destruction of the physical my friend, but the restoration of it.
We will have physical, resurrected bodies (1 Cor. 15:42-44). Christ’s resurrection is the model for our own (Phil. 3:21), and He was not raised as an ethereal spirit but in a tangible, glorified body. Job 19:25-27 also states that Job's Redeemer will stand upon the earth in the latter days and that Job himself will see Him in his flesh, further dispelling any notion of a non-physical eschaton. Yes, Christ’s glorified body is not subject to the laws of physics as we currently perceive them, but that does not make it any less physical. If you deny this, than our disagreement over Revelation pales in comparison to a Gnostic denial of the physical resurrection and the material nature of the New Creation.
Thus far, you’ve presumed my beliefs rather than engaging them, framed disagreements as heresy, and made emotional appeals rather than biblical arguments. If you want a genuine discussion, then let's engage the text and avoid these rhetorical tactics. Otherwise, I have no interest in a one-sided exchange where my views are misrepresented and then condemned based on said misrepresentations.
You said "nowhere in Scripture is God said to be “outside time and space.”, which is flat wrong.
According to the Bible, God is described as existing outside of time and space. This concept is based on the idea that God created time and space, and therefore is not limited by them. In 2 Timothy 1:9 and Titus 1:2, it is stated that God's plan for our destiny was established "before the beginning of time." Additionally, Hebrews 11:3 suggests that the physical universe was created from a source independent of physical dimensions, indicating that God transcends time and space.
Scripture also implies that God is timeless rather than being eternally in time or beyond time. This means that God sees all of eternity's past and future simultaneously, and the passage of time on Earth is of no consequence from God's perspective. A second is no different from an eon to God, as billions of years pass like seconds to an eternal being.
Furthermore, the idea of God being outside of space and time does not restrict His ability to interact with the universe. According to some interpretations, God can choose to dwell within His creation, as seen in various instances where He interacted with humans and guided them.
In summary, the Bible portrays God as existing outside of time and space, which allows Him to be independent of these dimensions and to have a timeless perspective on all of creation.
You digress needlessly and endlessly. My concern is only to make it clear that both Preterism and Futurism have their origins in the Counter-Reformation and are manipulations of scripture for the purpose of political deception.
You quote scripture in the most literal way to back your flat-earth ideas but when it comes to seeing that scripture is extremely well aligned with current events like the CBDC and Revelation 13:17 you are mute.
I do appreciate your view on Futurism and how you expose it for what it is but you need to do the same thing for Preterism. Both are doctrines of devils that are leading the church astray.
In Matthew 25:1-13 Jesus tells us of the wise and foolish virgins. The wise had oil so they could light their lamps and see where they were going on the road ahead. The foolish refused the oil and subsequently lost their way.
The oil for the lamps is Revelation and its ability to connect-the-dots as we navigate through the beast end game and present ourselves as a wise bride to Jesus Christ at his imminent 2nd Advent.
The exposition of what Preterism and Futurism actually are can be easily sourced via many books and online discussions. Here are some links to get you going:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-futurism-and-preterism-came-from-Jesuit-writings
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-different-types-of-Christian-eschatology/answer/Jeff-5041
Just thinking.. Harari... Kissinger.. Klaus.. Gates.. Trudeau.. Fauci.. Can you just imagine a neighborhood peppered with such as these, when the rest of the world would be dead.. what a fun group to hang out with... What joy.
Thankfully that wretched neighborhood is a bit smaller as of yesterday.
they'd probably all kill each other eventually anyway.. Snakes do that.
Amen brother.
They may think they sewing things up, but we know who wins this war.